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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 08:16 PM
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Im thinking about droping a new engine in the baja. Id like to keep it around 4-5K. Is there a good company out there that makes turn key motors that put out some really good power. Still new to the community, so Id like some of your expert input. I do 95% offroad. I need torque and Id like some big reliable power. Suggestions?


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Post Post subject: VW Baja engine
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 09:58 PM
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And you're sure you want to stay air-cooled VW with that kind of coin to spend?

How much power are you looking for? More than 200? I'd guess a very built VW motor is going to be close to that. Be ready to need to spend another 2-3.5K to make your trans handle it too.

Of course, you COULD have 170-180 RELIABLE hp, fuel-injection, no oil leaks, no valve adjustment, AND a trans that will handle it, ALL for 5-6k, maybe even less...




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Post Post subject: Re: VW Baja engine
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 05:37 AM
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Thanks for responding. Btw i like your profile pic....nice car. The car already has a built bus box in it. Id like to stay with a VW engine if possible. Sounds corny but i kinda like the way the VW's sound and the low rpm torque as well. I don't drive it that much so its not like id be needing to make adjustments that often. Forgive my ignorance but can you get a useable 180 to 200 hp out of a VW engine that's built for offroad? I don't need a high rpm screamer. Ive seen a few with turbos as well. How do VW engines hold up with a turbo?


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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:59 PM
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180 to 200 on carbs would be a pretty big type 4 engine if it is built for off road. I have a 2800 that was pro built and dynoed at 200. I raced a 2332 ty1 for years with a single 48 Webber and it dynoed at 160. You might look at CB performance and price out their engine kits. The bigger they go the $$$ they get.

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thanks....Ill check it out!

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180 HP T-4 engineskick butt but you budget needs to get a good 5x larger. It will also incinerate a stock 3 rib unless you are very respectful. Unless your always at Glamis a 180 -200 hp T-1 engine will be a bear to drive. A good 140-160 hp T-1 with lots of torque is a 2276 and larger engine with a W 120 cam good heads and dual carbs or FI. A race prepped case is $650, DPR stoker crank and CB rods $750, Pistons and liners $200, cam and decent lifters $200, Decent heads $700, Dual IDFs $700 good used, rebuild kits and spare jetting, $800 bearings gaskets pushrods, solid rocker kit, swivel feet adjusters, oil pump, oil cover, remote oil filter, oil cooler oil hoses an fittings oil thermostat, $140 lightened flywheel
To get one professionally built with all good parts, tuned and shipped is in the $6,000-$7,000 range The price range for 180-200 hp is about 7-8K. THose turn key engines you see in the price range you are looking at are nothing but Empi garbage. If you are detail orientated you could do better building one yourself. If your case and heads are good you could send them to Brothers Machine they can race prep your case and install silicone broze lifter sleeves and rebuilt and install larger valves and port your heads in house. Get a DPR 78 mm stroke cw cranks and use some CB unitech rods. Brothers machine should able to optimize your cylinder heads cc and supply you with the correct cylinder shims to get around 7.4 (VZ 14), 7.8-1 (VZ 15) 8-8.5 (W120 cam) for compression Blue print your own 26 mm oil pump, use an Engle VZ 15 cam and some dual IDFs. With the VZ 15 cam won't be 180 hp but should be at least 130 but will pull like an angry pit bull and leave enough money for Brad Penn oil, full flow oil cooling and guages. VZ 15 cam for open desert, If it is a dune only engine use a W 120 cam to get close to 150. (Better heads will get you 10-20 hp more but won't be cheap) If you drive rough trails llike I do use a VZ 14 cam and a single IDF.

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Wow! Great info! I do mostly mountain trails in Las Vegas with the occasional trip to the dunes (in the future) My buddy has a mid travel Manx with a Subaru turbo engine. Im just trying to keep up a little better. My baja has a little more travel than stock in the front and rear from what I can gather (i bought it last year) and really I think I should not only do the engine mods (supposedly the engine I have is a 2027 but it runs like a turd in Las Vegas, its got a single webber, not sure what size) but also Im going to be doing the front and rear suspension (3x3?) to get some more travel for the whoops Im encountering so I can carry some more speed rather than having to slow down to prevent bottoming the rear. Its a big project but Im gonna do it! Here's a couple of pics from when I bought it.










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You have a very nice Baja there! All that is needed is some suspension work and a little more power and you have a very fun car on your hands. It looks like the hard part is all done. When it comes time for arms check out Avery's. They have some 3x3's that are very nice. www.averysaircooled.co...garms2.cfm

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Will i need longer axles with the 3x3's or will the ones i have work (adaptors)? How about more travel in the front? Im not against cutting the fenders or changing the front fenders/hood to one piece if that's what it takes? Ideas?

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Clean and stout looking Baja. What heads and cam do you have in the 2 liter you have? The Subaru is pushing a lot of HP so your not going to out accelerate him without a turbo or a poorly mannered drag racing T-1 engine. While not letting you pass your friend, if it is a small 2 liter the VZ 14 cam and head work if your engine's heads are stock will let you pull redline in each gear. You will need longer axles for 3x3s I believe they are 19 and 3/4". Buy them from someone who can supply you with all the parts for the conversion. Is your front suspension ball joint or link pin?

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 03:42 PM
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If you go 3x3 on the back you could go a little wider up front like 6 inches or so and use the 1 1/2 longer control arms up front. It will give you more travel but not so much that you tear up the fender you have now. I think you could use a little more ride height and these changes will give you that. The extra ride height and increased downtravel can give you more overall travel without the tire going up so far as to hit the fenders. The extra width would give the car a tougher look and it should handle a little better.

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Clean and stout looking Baja. What heads and cam do you have in the 2 liter you have? The Subaru is pushing a lot of HP so your not going to out accelerate him without a turbo or a poorly mannered drag racing T-1 engine. While not letting you pass your friend, if it is a small 2 liter the VZ 14 cam and head work if your engine's heads are stock will let you pull redline in each gear. You will need longer axles for 3x3s I believe they are 19 and 3/4". Buy them from someone who can supply you with all the parts for the conversion. Is your front suspension ball joint or link pin?

Im going to have to look at all the receipts to get the info about the engine. I know it has an engle cam and some pretty good parts but for some reason, it doesnt run that strong. I know I wont be pulling on my friends turbo subaru but the trails we run on are a little narrow and he's a little wide so the bug keeps up right now with just a few seconds in between us. Some better suspension and I bet Id be right there. The front end is ball joint right now. My buddy with the subaru says I should get at least a link pin front end or a arms would be better but Id rather just use the link pin setup if its easier to convert from the ball joint. Ill get more specifics on the engine thats in it but I think it should be running stronger than it is for its size, cam etc. It runs good and smooth but lacks power. It wont pull a small grade in 4th gear over 50 mph. The guy that built the car said it would run stronger with dual carbs but from everything ive read a single is better for off road. Is that correct?

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If you go 3x3 on the back you could go a little wider up front like 6 inches or so and use the 1 1/2 longer control arms up front. It will give you more travel but not so much that you tear up the fender you have now. I think you could use a little more ride height and these changes will give you that. The extra ride height and increased downtravel can give you more overall travel without the tire going up so far as to hit the fenders. The extra width would give the car a tougher look and it should handle a little better.

Im ball joint front end now. Where do i go to buy the wider front beam? Should I convert to link pin now? I kinda like the look of the one piece front end with trimmed fenders so Im not against doing that.

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It should pull fourth gear but the cam might be a bit big for the carb. A VZ 14 cam will pull the hardest.

Switching to a link pin will give you the most options. Bugzilla does make a ball joint beam that accepts link pin parts.

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It should pull fourth gear but the cam might be a bit big for the carb. A VZ 14 cam will pull the hardest.

Switching to a link pin will give you the most options. Bugzilla does make a ball joint beam that accepts link pin parts.

Is it easy to convert the ball joint beam to a link pin beam? Is the steering box etc the same? Reason is that I want to get one that has taller shock towers for increased travel.

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